SSSWG - December 1993 Minutes
IEEE SSSWG Meeting
December 7, 1993
Las Vegas, Nevada
IEEE SSSWG Attendance
NAME COMPANY
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Janet Anglin International Business Machines Corp.
Betty Jo Armstead SVERDRUP Tech, Inc.
Bob Baird Hewlett-Packard
Peter R. Berard Battelle, Pacific Northwest Labs.
John Berbert NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Ramesh Bodapati Hewlett-Packard
A. Lester Buck Compact Data, Incorporated
Bob Coyne IBM, Federal Systems Company
Richard Garrison Martin Marietta Corporation
Dr. Bruce K. Haddon Storage Technology Corporation
Andrew Hanushevsky Cornell University
D. Creig Humes NASA Langley Research Center
Wayne Hurlbert Lawrence Berkeley Lab
Tom Jefferson Sandia National Laboratories
Steve Louis National Energy Res. Supercomputer Ctr.
Greg Nuss Cray Research, Inc.
Jon W. Peake IBM Storage Systems Division
Anthony Peterson E-Systems Inc., Garland Division
Michael T. Peterson Digital Equipment Corp
Ed Poole IBM Corporation
Rich Ruef IBM/FSC
David E. Skinner Storage Technology Corporation
Jodie Smith Storage Technology Corp.
Robyne Sumpter Lawrence Livermore Laboratory
Linda L. Tefend E-Systems, Inc.
Richard Wrenn Digital Equipment Corporation
Merritt Jones IBM, Federal Systems Company
The following people attended a meeting with POSIX 15 - Bob
Baird ,Linda Tefend, Dave Skinner, Lester Buck, Rich Wrenn and
Bob Coyne to determine whether there is a conflict with SSSWG.
Fermi Lab and others want to handle removable media. STK has
offered to provide a description of their librarian APIs. The
POSIX group has put a study group together to define an API for
removable media. If they want to do something beyond mounting
tapes such as cataloging they overlap SSSWG charter. They will
consult with SSSWG and CD-ROM groups. SSSWG members are invited
to participate with the study group. Left to their own STK would
offer their librarian API. The study group meeting announcement
was sent out on the reflector. If anyone is planning to attend
they should contact Kurt Everson and the chairman of POSIX.15.
They were very cooperative. They are soliciting removable media
APIs, and anyone is welcome to submit . Dave Skinner is not
driving the POSIX 15 group to the exclusion of everyone else.
It appears that the Dec 93 meeting will not hurt our budget.
The meeting will probably cost under $3000 to $4000 over what is
taken in from registration. We have a reserve of about $7500.
Feb Meeting - Possibilities - San Diego, Houston or Florida.
Apr Meeting - Mitre in Washington DC - or Computing and High
Energy Physics in Bay area in April. Jamie Shiers would like
meeting in Bay area.
June meeting Peter Berard is working meeting in Southeast
Washington state tri-city area of Washington state. PNL will
pick up some of the expense for the meeting. The hotel meeting
rooms cost $250 a day in Las Vegas. The hotel in Washington
state will cost $600 a day, but if members eat lunch at hotel
($10), the ten dollars will be subtracted from the room cost.
PNL might pick up the extra cost. The meeting is scheduled for
June 5-7, 1994. The group agreed to eat lunch at the hotel.
The Mass Storage Symposium is in Annecy France and there will be
a SSSWG meeting along with it. There is no call for papers. If
anyone wants to do something for poster sessions at meeting they
send Ann Kerr a paragraph and she will take it for
consideration. The meeting will essentially be a repeat of the
April 1993 Monterey meeting.
IEE Europe - Storage and recording Conference is in Keele
England. SSSWG has been invited to submit a paper from on the
Mass Storage Reference Model V5.
IEEE Standard Department License - Dave Smith has some proprietary
APIs Open Vision would be willing to share if they are
protected. Bob Coyne has ask the IEEE this question and they do
not know how to handle the API. The IEEE legal department is
looking into the issue. The IEEE does not collect money for
patents.
.Std Writing
At meeting at Cray, Ann O'Neill said they would send someone to
talk about writing standards. She said not to use POSIX as a
model but ISO. They will talk about outlines, issues of
interfacing with other groups etc. The IEEE people will help
edit your document. Call and ask questions
.Manuals
A manual kit for writing standards is available from IEEE.
About 18 people attended the European SSSWG meeting at CERN.
Dr. Bruce Haddon from STK has minutes for meeting and will put
them out on the reflector. Most of people were upset that SSSWG
dumped the bitfile server. They primarily wanted to talk about
the storage server. They had some very good people attend, but
they are less motivated than we are. Jamie Shiers would like to
couple the April SSSWG meeting with the meeting of CHSP in the
Bay area. The discussions did not lead anywhere - it was mostly
catch up.
MSRM - Rich Garrison will steal some people to resolve in
problems in the MSRM.
Bob Baird would like to advertise the dots in the MSRM, which
may create some interest in people working on the dots. Lester
Buck will provide a two sentence description for each dot to put
near the front of the document.
The MSRM will be closed when Rich Garrison brings it for a vote.
Bob talked with Jim Isaak and he says there is a less than
standard document which can be published by the IEEE. The
document is not balloted, and Bob believes this is where we
should put the MSRM. Bob will find out details for publishing
the MSRM. Bob does not want to publish the MSRM as a standard -
it takes too much work. The MSRM will be used to make sure dots
do not get too far apart. The group should be working on the
dots.
Merritt Jones will be available to talk to anyone interested in
being the chair of SSSWG. The election is in Feb. Bob Coyne
will continue as chair until somebody has the staff and travel
budget to handle the job. It takes a lot of time, probably at
least half. However, Bob has people so turns over part of the
work to Ed Poole and Lester Buck. The chair must attend at
least 14 meetings/yr and must make at least 4 or 5 speeches and be
a member of several committees.
Dot reports
PVR - agenda
Review of 93 meeting
Report on Geneva meeting
Research results discussion
.DCE - RPC
.ONC/ONC+
.APPC/LUG.2
They can live with dce RPC
Open issues, discussion
Technical editors
Working session : environment
Goal consensus env. assumptions
Working session interface attributes
Working session: specification format
Working session: PVR-device interface
PVL -
Plan to address three areas:
1. Talking with other groups about requirements Physical Store
element
2. Assigned sets discussion
3. Editing current MSRM
document.
VSS - Storage Server
1. review of mission
2. Identify participants
3. Set of requirements form Rich Ruef
4. Requirements from other standards
5. Identify issues of other components.
SSM - Storage System Management
1. Discussion on Lester's policy on objects
2. Draft outline for Dot
3. define dependencies and technical editor
Mover
Creig Humes from Nasa Langley is the new chair of mover.
Creig Humes ask Bob to push Dave Tweeten to send rest of archive
information.
1. Go over requirements
2. present HPSS information
OID
Andy Hanushevsky is looking to see if there is another standard
for OID, so far with no success. It looks as if the OID Par
will be necessary.
PVL
The PVL has some edits required for the MSRM and they need to
get a definition from VSS. Also the question on assigned sets
still has to be settled. Assigned sets are required for
parallel mounts.
There was a short meeting on Thursday to discuss the elections
that should be held at the February meeting. Merritt Jones
chaired the meeting. Merritt has been trying to find someone to
run for chair, but has so far had no success. The commitment is
10 to 14 trips per year, at least 20% of one's time and
presentation of at least 4 papers.
Since no one seems willing to run for chair there was a
discussion of how Bob Coyne's travel and speaking commitments
could be reduced. The best solution seems to be to have other
members do some of the speaking. Bob has slides for presenting
the SSSWG status and would be willing to share them.
Merritt Jones is going to put a team in place to plan for a
ballot. This team will be in place by the April meeting. Once
the team is named the SAB must approve it.
The meeting place for February has not been decided. The three
places being considered are Houston, Snow Mass (Aspen) and
somewhere in Florida.
Respectfully submitted
Betty Jo Armstead
Secretary, IEEE SSSWG
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